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			<description><![CDATA[So, after my fiasco of trying to get Mike to post pics of himself, I started speaking to Mike on MSN. We started talking about random stuff, and then somehow the conversation ended up with TC (The Colosseum).<br />
<br />
First of all, Mike and I have been in disagreement over what was the downfall of TC for over a year now, and while we didn't come up with a conclusion to that question, we made our first actual agreement on one issue: Mike's governing style.<br />
<br />
Those of you who were around back then know, and will agree, that Mike went a little crazy with power when he was an admin at TC. Yet after all this time, Mike had yet to acknowledge this fact and denied it. He felt we betrayed and ganged up against him and we thought he was the cause of the death of TC... which is false because technically it was Mihopa that ended it all.<br />
<br />
However, as I continued to speak to Mike, I finally had a breakthrough. Here is the text of the breakthough. But if you don't want to read it, skip to the bottom and I'll summarize.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I don't care if you think I was Satan of Neo-G. I'm proud of TC, and so is dbz.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We don't care what anyone thinks on it.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  .... you seriously haven't heard a thing I just said so whatever<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I have<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that statement proves it<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I countered it.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Proves what?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  no but whatever<br />
Mike says:<br />
  If you can't say it, then I don't know what you proved.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  proves that you haven't been listening<br />
Mike says:<br />
  To what?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Explain<br />
Danny says:<br />
  to anything I said<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Just say it baller.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  no<br />
Danny says:<br />
  there's no point in discussing anything with you cause it just goes in one ear, out the other<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Fine.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I know I'm right<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Say it just once more<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That's all.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Just once more<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I know I have way more support on what I believe than you do<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Baller, say it ONCE more, and that's it<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Even if I ask for whatever it is again, don't give it to me<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you, weren't the Satan of TC<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Emphazise what I have missed<br />
Mike says:<br />
  True.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I'm glad you were there<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And so were many<br />
Mike says:<br />
  If not, all.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  even kingdom.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  even sporky actually. At heart, I never hated sporky.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  He was just some punch bag at Neo-G<br />
Danny says:<br />
  but like I said, you made mistakes as admin which is why you had to be taken down<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I actually do miss him<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I resigned.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Dbz did not demote me.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  after we almost took you down<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it's like saying Nixon resigned after almost getting impeached<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you screwed up so the only way to avoid severe consequences was to give up your seat of power<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I already acknowledged I made mistakes, and I am sorry. But you cannot hold those against me forever.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And I did, for you guys.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Not for me.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I'm not<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I was never a selfish admin<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I was always considerate<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Not always kind, but considerate<br />
Danny says:<br />
  fine we'll leave it at that<br />
Danny says:<br />
  like I said, you went wrong when you tried too hard<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Partially true. I gave some people far too much attentionm<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That lead to me ignoring some other problems<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I even admit to making a problem when it wasn't there<br />
Danny says:<br />
  if you would've taken the Dbz style and just let it work out we would have had less problems<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I like that<br />
Mike says:<br />
  less problems<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Even if I was dbz's twin, we'd still have problems<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes<br />
Danny says:<br />
  Spork was a problem<br />
Danny says:<br />
  but when we first met him we instantly told you to get rid of him<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yet you brought him back over and over again<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Actually, that was dbz.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  NOOOOO<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I banned him, then dbz tol;d me to soften up<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't listen to dbz though<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you can't blame that on Dbz cause I spoke with him about that and he agree that you were going too far bringing him back<br />
Danny says:<br />
  remember I was a mod back then so I knew what was going on<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So dbz supported me when I said to ban him and be done with it there?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you were the cause of Spork being what he became<br />
Danny says:<br />
  no not when he wasn't doing anything wrong<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you tried to ban him when he got YOU upset<br />
Danny says:<br />
  not neccessarily causing a disturbance<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Spork never upset me. He was just being a general nusiance, and like dbz told me: He needs to have a short leash<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So I was quick with the stick<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We later then adopted the policy of just letting him free<br />
Mike says:<br />
  As dbz puts it: He's a stray dog...<br />
Mike says:<br />
  btw<br />
Mike says:<br />
  one thing: Was I seriously cause of 80% of the problems?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Seriously<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That is an exgerration.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  not entirely<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Good.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  problems came<br />
Danny says:<br />
  but you were the one who made them bigger than they needed to be<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I admit, I was apart of a few problems due to my gorverning, as I couldn't keep everyone happy and be firm about it<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I agree with that<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But that can go back to me dbz, when he told me to be at the forefront of things, but I won't blame him<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I take blame there because I did ti<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I'm not the true bad guy<br />
Mike says:<br />
  dbz contributed too, and so did others.<br />
<br />
  That's why me and dbz just say nobody is to blame<br />
Mike says:<br />
  It was just the overall situation<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Would you agree with that?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  whatever<br />
Danny says:<br />
  if it makes you happy<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Dude, we're actually getting somewhere.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Just say whether you agree or noit<br />
Mike says:<br />
  This is why I'm even bothering<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We're getting somewhere.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  this is a huge step<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Before, me and you could never agree<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I agree that we could never agree<br />
Danny says:<br />
  does that work?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  No, because you were making sense a moment ago<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And when I brought something up, you just packed it in<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Tell me why that's wrong.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I bet we could agree here, once and for all on this<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it's not wrong, it's just not detailed enough<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Look, I want to go in a few minutes here.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I wanted to go off like 30 mins ago to do something else<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I've remained on because this has been going on for years and years<br />
Mike says:<br />
  let's end it once and for all<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Oh shit<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Sorry, didn't see that im, gonestly<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Well yeah, it's not detailed enough.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But it it's a general description, we could go into an essay with the problems<br />
Danny says:<br />
  basically, Dbz wasn't around much 'cause of school so you were in charge. when a problem arose, we turned to you 'cause you were the only one there. you handled it wrong and made it a bigger problem. we got upset at you and you got defensive.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I agree.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But do you know why I was defensive?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  You all TOLD me to do something your way<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't like that.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I don't mind suggestions<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I don't like to be demanded off things, as if I was Acting-Admin.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I was just as equal as dbz was.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it doesn't matter... we tried to work things out as a democracy (well actually aristocracy since only the mods and admins got input)<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it wasn't about who had the right answer, it was about listening to our suggestions<br />
Danny says:<br />
  which you never listened to and did things your way every time<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I did listen to them, many times I followed what you and yoshi did.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I didn't like the treatment I recieved<br />
Danny says:<br />
  LIES<br />
Mike says:<br />
  dbz got more respect.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't always follow them through<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I did listen<br />
Danny says:<br />
  because he listened<br />
Mike says:<br />
  he didn't act on much thoug<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that's how he ran SSU very well for as long as it was active<br />
Danny says:<br />
  input from the officers<br />
Mike says:<br />
  My members said I was a great leader on DW<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So I was only called a bad admin on TC<br />
Danny says:<br />
  he never took on a tyrannical role like you did<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Everywhere else, I'm fine<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I came off as tyranical.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  In truth, I was just ruling with an iron fist<br />
Danny says:<br />
  exactly<br />
Mike says:<br />
  My problem was I was earily lead<br />
Danny says:<br />
  which is what we didn't want<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So, I was not consistent<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I kept changing things when I should have kept to a way<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Like I can remmeber I said "Okay, ignore sporky."<br />
<br />
  Something happens, and I suspend him<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you should have kept to listening to our suggestions<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That came from what dbz told me to do though<br />
Mike says:<br />
  It's not as if I ignored you guys<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I just did not follow what you gusy mainly suggested<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you totally did<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I acknowledged your posts<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I just didn't follow throughw ith them<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that's not the same thing though<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Dude, if you guys had something to say, I was always happy to hear it<br />
Danny says:<br />
  hearing and listening are not the same thing<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I was slightly arrogant and took my own way, with a miox of other styles<br />
Danny says:<br />
  we know<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I heard it, but didn't listen then.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Really, I AM AGREEING WITH YOU<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I did not say "Fuck you, not interested."<br />
<br />
  I said "Okay, here's what we'll do:" and bam, I took off.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We had the foundations, I just didn;t follow through<br />
Mike says:<br />
  The foundations were the mod's suggestions<br />
Danny says:<br />
  exactly<br />
Mike says:<br />
  yes?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Good.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't follow through with them until the endm, yes?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I mean, I started to follow them, then half way through, I said "fuck it" and went my own way<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So yeah, by the looks of it, you agree with that<br />
Danny says:<br />
  we had established those foundations at SSU and it's how Dbz, cell, and I did things<br />
Mike says:<br />
  As I am agreeing with yoiu<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That's a diffrence I wasn't aware of.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes I agree<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Well, I was.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I mean<br />
Mike says:<br />
  In DW, my officers, I depended on them, and you know what advice they gave me?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  "It's your union, do what you want."<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And that came out in TC.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  dbz must've had the expericence of actually having his officers suggesting stuff<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I did nt<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that was the difference<br />
Mike says:<br />
  DW was a closed community, we kept to ourselves<br />
Mike says:<br />
  SSU was more open<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yup<br />
Mike says:<br />
  heck, 1st dbz union on GS<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Okay, We seem to be in 100% agreement so far<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Any other issues?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  nope<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I want to get this over with.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you admitted you were wrong and that your admin style was wrong so I'm good<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So, we are in 100% agreement that...<br />
<br />
  I was not the evil of TC, but I made things worse, I was arrogant, I didn't follow things straight through, I came off as nasty due to this.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Yes, it was wrong.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Not fully, but when it came to the ToS, yes.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I cherry picked.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yup<br />
Danny says:<br />
  and I agree<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Well, this is the first time in three years we came to a 100% agreement with this whole thing<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Is this a dream?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I'd be naked if it were so no<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Basically, it's summed up by this quote from Mike: "I was not the evil of TC, but I made things worse, I was arrogant, I didn't follow things straight through, I came off as nasty due to this." There was also something else about Mike hearing our suggestions as mods but not listening to us which is why we went against him so many times.<br />
<br />
But what you should really take away from this is that Mike admitted that his way of governing TC was wrong. Over a year after TC died, he finally confesses his errors.<br />
<br />
Now I know you might be saying to yourself "old news is old", but this is a real breakthrough for Mike. He's actually accepting his mistakes and swallowing his pride. Heck, he even allowed me to tell everyone and even post the conversation. Our little Mikey is growing up so fast!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[So, after my fiasco of trying to get Mike to post pics of himself, I started speaking to Mike on MSN. We started talking about random stuff, and then somehow the conversation ended up with TC (The Colosseum).<br />
<br />
First of all, Mike and I have been in disagreement over what was the downfall of TC for over a year now, and while we didn't come up with a conclusion to that question, we made our first actual agreement on one issue: Mike's governing style.<br />
<br />
Those of you who were around back then know, and will agree, that Mike went a little crazy with power when he was an admin at TC. Yet after all this time, Mike had yet to acknowledge this fact and denied it. He felt we betrayed and ganged up against him and we thought he was the cause of the death of TC... which is false because technically it was Mihopa that ended it all.<br />
<br />
However, as I continued to speak to Mike, I finally had a breakthrough. Here is the text of the breakthough. But if you don't want to read it, skip to the bottom and I'll summarize.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I don't care if you think I was Satan of Neo-G. I'm proud of TC, and so is dbz.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We don't care what anyone thinks on it.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  .... you seriously haven't heard a thing I just said so whatever<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I have<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that statement proves it<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I countered it.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Proves what?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  no but whatever<br />
Mike says:<br />
  If you can't say it, then I don't know what you proved.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  proves that you haven't been listening<br />
Mike says:<br />
  To what?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Explain<br />
Danny says:<br />
  to anything I said<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Just say it baller.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  no<br />
Danny says:<br />
  there's no point in discussing anything with you cause it just goes in one ear, out the other<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Fine.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I know I'm right<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Say it just once more<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That's all.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Just once more<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I know I have way more support on what I believe than you do<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Baller, say it ONCE more, and that's it<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Even if I ask for whatever it is again, don't give it to me<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you, weren't the Satan of TC<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Emphazise what I have missed<br />
Mike says:<br />
  True.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I'm glad you were there<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And so were many<br />
Mike says:<br />
  If not, all.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  even kingdom.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  even sporky actually. At heart, I never hated sporky.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  He was just some punch bag at Neo-G<br />
Danny says:<br />
  but like I said, you made mistakes as admin which is why you had to be taken down<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I actually do miss him<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I resigned.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Dbz did not demote me.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  after we almost took you down<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it's like saying Nixon resigned after almost getting impeached<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you screwed up so the only way to avoid severe consequences was to give up your seat of power<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I already acknowledged I made mistakes, and I am sorry. But you cannot hold those against me forever.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And I did, for you guys.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Not for me.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I'm not<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I was never a selfish admin<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I was always considerate<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Not always kind, but considerate<br />
Danny says:<br />
  fine we'll leave it at that<br />
Danny says:<br />
  like I said, you went wrong when you tried too hard<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Partially true. I gave some people far too much attentionm<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That lead to me ignoring some other problems<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I even admit to making a problem when it wasn't there<br />
Danny says:<br />
  if you would've taken the Dbz style and just let it work out we would have had less problems<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I like that<br />
Mike says:<br />
  less problems<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Even if I was dbz's twin, we'd still have problems<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes<br />
Danny says:<br />
  Spork was a problem<br />
Danny says:<br />
  but when we first met him we instantly told you to get rid of him<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yet you brought him back over and over again<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Actually, that was dbz.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  NOOOOO<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I banned him, then dbz tol;d me to soften up<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't listen to dbz though<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you can't blame that on Dbz cause I spoke with him about that and he agree that you were going too far bringing him back<br />
Danny says:<br />
  remember I was a mod back then so I knew what was going on<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So dbz supported me when I said to ban him and be done with it there?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you were the cause of Spork being what he became<br />
Danny says:<br />
  no not when he wasn't doing anything wrong<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you tried to ban him when he got YOU upset<br />
Danny says:<br />
  not neccessarily causing a disturbance<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Spork never upset me. He was just being a general nusiance, and like dbz told me: He needs to have a short leash<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So I was quick with the stick<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We later then adopted the policy of just letting him free<br />
Mike says:<br />
  As dbz puts it: He's a stray dog...<br />
Mike says:<br />
  btw<br />
Mike says:<br />
  one thing: Was I seriously cause of 80% of the problems?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Seriously<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That is an exgerration.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  not entirely<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Good.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  problems came<br />
Danny says:<br />
  but you were the one who made them bigger than they needed to be<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I admit, I was apart of a few problems due to my gorverning, as I couldn't keep everyone happy and be firm about it<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I agree with that<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But that can go back to me dbz, when he told me to be at the forefront of things, but I won't blame him<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I take blame there because I did ti<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I'm not the true bad guy<br />
Mike says:<br />
  dbz contributed too, and so did others.<br />
<br />
  That's why me and dbz just say nobody is to blame<br />
Mike says:<br />
  It was just the overall situation<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Would you agree with that?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  whatever<br />
Danny says:<br />
  if it makes you happy<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Dude, we're actually getting somewhere.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Just say whether you agree or noit<br />
Mike says:<br />
  This is why I'm even bothering<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We're getting somewhere.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  this is a huge step<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Before, me and you could never agree<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I agree that we could never agree<br />
Danny says:<br />
  does that work?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  No, because you were making sense a moment ago<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And when I brought something up, you just packed it in<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Tell me why that's wrong.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I bet we could agree here, once and for all on this<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it's not wrong, it's just not detailed enough<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Look, I want to go in a few minutes here.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I wanted to go off like 30 mins ago to do something else<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I've remained on because this has been going on for years and years<br />
Mike says:<br />
  let's end it once and for all<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Oh shit<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Sorry, didn't see that im, gonestly<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Well yeah, it's not detailed enough.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But it it's a general description, we could go into an essay with the problems<br />
Danny says:<br />
  basically, Dbz wasn't around much 'cause of school so you were in charge. when a problem arose, we turned to you 'cause you were the only one there. you handled it wrong and made it a bigger problem. we got upset at you and you got defensive.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I agree.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But do you know why I was defensive?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  You all TOLD me to do something your way<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't like that.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I don't mind suggestions<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I don't like to be demanded off things, as if I was Acting-Admin.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I was just as equal as dbz was.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it doesn't matter... we tried to work things out as a democracy (well actually aristocracy since only the mods and admins got input)<br />
Danny says:<br />
  it wasn't about who had the right answer, it was about listening to our suggestions<br />
Danny says:<br />
  which you never listened to and did things your way every time<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I did listen to them, many times I followed what you and yoshi did.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I didn't like the treatment I recieved<br />
Danny says:<br />
  LIES<br />
Mike says:<br />
  dbz got more respect.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't always follow them through<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I did listen<br />
Danny says:<br />
  because he listened<br />
Mike says:<br />
  he didn't act on much thoug<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that's how he ran SSU very well for as long as it was active<br />
Danny says:<br />
  input from the officers<br />
Mike says:<br />
  My members said I was a great leader on DW<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So I was only called a bad admin on TC<br />
Danny says:<br />
  he never took on a tyrannical role like you did<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Everywhere else, I'm fine<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I came off as tyranical.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  In truth, I was just ruling with an iron fist<br />
Danny says:<br />
  exactly<br />
Mike says:<br />
  My problem was I was earily lead<br />
Danny says:<br />
  which is what we didn't want<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So, I was not consistent<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I kept changing things when I should have kept to a way<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Like I can remmeber I said "Okay, ignore sporky."<br />
<br />
  Something happens, and I suspend him<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you should have kept to listening to our suggestions<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That came from what dbz told me to do though<br />
Mike says:<br />
  It's not as if I ignored you guys<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I just did not follow what you gusy mainly suggested<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you totally did<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I acknowledged your posts<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I just didn't follow throughw ith them<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that's not the same thing though<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Dude, if you guys had something to say, I was always happy to hear it<br />
Danny says:<br />
  hearing and listening are not the same thing<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I was slightly arrogant and took my own way, with a miox of other styles<br />
Danny says:<br />
  we know<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I heard it, but didn't listen then.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Really, I AM AGREEING WITH YOU<br />
Mike says:<br />
  But I did not say "Fuck you, not interested."<br />
<br />
  I said "Okay, here's what we'll do:" and bam, I took off.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes<br />
Mike says:<br />
  We had the foundations, I just didn;t follow through<br />
Mike says:<br />
  The foundations were the mod's suggestions<br />
Danny says:<br />
  exactly<br />
Mike says:<br />
  yes?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Good.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I didn't follow through with them until the endm, yes?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I mean, I started to follow them, then half way through, I said "fuck it" and went my own way<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So yeah, by the looks of it, you agree with that<br />
Danny says:<br />
  we had established those foundations at SSU and it's how Dbz, cell, and I did things<br />
Mike says:<br />
  As I am agreeing with yoiu<br />
Mike says:<br />
  That's a diffrence I wasn't aware of.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yes I agree<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Well, I was.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I mean<br />
Mike says:<br />
  In DW, my officers, I depended on them, and you know what advice they gave me?<br />
Mike says:<br />
  "It's your union, do what you want."<br />
Mike says:<br />
  And that came out in TC.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  dbz must've had the expericence of actually having his officers suggesting stuff<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I did nt<br />
Danny says:<br />
  that was the difference<br />
Mike says:<br />
  DW was a closed community, we kept to ourselves<br />
Mike says:<br />
  SSU was more open<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yup<br />
Mike says:<br />
  heck, 1st dbz union on GS<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Okay, We seem to be in 100% agreement so far<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Any other issues?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  nope<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I want to get this over with.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  you admitted you were wrong and that your admin style was wrong so I'm good<br />
Mike says:<br />
  So, we are in 100% agreement that...<br />
<br />
  I was not the evil of TC, but I made things worse, I was arrogant, I didn't follow things straight through, I came off as nasty due to this.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Yes, it was wrong.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Not fully, but when it came to the ToS, yes.<br />
Mike says:<br />
  I cherry picked.<br />
Danny says:<br />
  yup<br />
Danny says:<br />
  and I agree<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Well, this is the first time in three years we came to a 100% agreement with this whole thing<br />
Mike says:<br />
  Is this a dream?<br />
Danny says:<br />
  I'd be naked if it were so no<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Basically, it's summed up by this quote from Mike: "I was not the evil of TC, but I made things worse, I was arrogant, I didn't follow things straight through, I came off as nasty due to this." There was also something else about Mike hearing our suggestions as mods but not listening to us which is why we went against him so many times.<br />
<br />
But what you should really take away from this is that Mike admitted that his way of governing TC was wrong. Over a year after TC died, he finally confesses his errors.<br />
<br />
Now I know you might be saying to yourself "old news is old", but this is a real breakthrough for Mike. He's actually accepting his mistakes and swallowing his pride. Heck, he even allowed me to tell everyone and even post the conversation. Our little Mikey is growing up so fast!!!]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Banjo-Kazooie]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=349</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Anyone get Nuts&Bolts or the arcade game? I got NB and am enjoying it so far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Anyone get Nuts&Bolts or the arcade game? I got NB and am enjoying it so far.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[America will be changing...]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=348</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[But will Northern Ireland?<br />
<br />
Probably not. Here is pretty much the politics of Northern Ireland (Past, Present... and probably Future):<br />
<br />
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XHCppOWhuv0<br />
<br />
Absolutely ridiculous (to the point where it's actually very funny), yes?... Yet, you Americans complain. >_>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[But will Northern Ireland?<br />
<br />
Probably not. Here is pretty much the politics of Northern Ireland (Past, Present... and probably Future):<br />
<br />
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XHCppOWhuv0<br />
<br />
Absolutely ridiculous (to the point where it's actually very funny), yes?... Yet, you Americans complain. >_>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Is advertising a forum against the rules here?]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=347</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Cause I've created a new forum and is trying to spread the link around.<br />
<br />
Well, here it is.  The Lost Universe.<br />
<br />
http://thelostuniverse.motion-forum.net/forum.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Cause I've created a new forum and is trying to spread the link around.<br />
<br />
Well, here it is.  The Lost Universe.<br />
<br />
http://thelostuniverse.motion-forum.net/forum.htm]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[o yeah, i got a wii....]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=346</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[my 2 year old sister beat me in boxing...  and its been in the box every since.  I might go buy a game or sumthin for it, cause my parents seemed to have thought that i was 10 and got me Wii play and some cooking thing ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[my 2 year old sister beat me in boxing...  and its been in the box every since.  I might go buy a game or sumthin for it, cause my parents seemed to have thought that i was 10 and got me Wii play and some cooking thing ]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Freeeky Test]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=345</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[http://www.beautifulperth.com/freeekytest.html<br />
<br />
I got 2%! :excited:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[http://www.beautifulperth.com/freeekytest.html<br />
<br />
I got 2%! :excited:]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Merry Xmas!]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=344</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[:excited: <br />
<br />
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[:excited: <br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Game of the Year]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=343</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[http://uk.gamespot.com/users/michaelP4/s...bout;blog1<br />
<br />
There's my shit...<br />
<br />
What's your Game of the Year?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[http://uk.gamespot.com/users/michaelP4/s...bout;blog1<br />
<br />
There's my shit...<br />
<br />
What's your Game of the Year?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[My idea for a movie]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=342</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Okay, since the Dragonball movie is gonna suck, I got to thinking "What could I do to redeem the movie industry?" Then it hit me: Bring Captain Planet to the silver screen! The question was, how would I do so? I thought of an animated movie for it, but that would be too old school. Then, it hit me...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Okay, since the Dragonball movie is gonna suck, I got to thinking "What could I do to redeem the movie industry?" Then it hit me: Bring Captain Planet to the silver screen! The question was, how would I do so? I thought of an animated movie for it, but that would be too old school. Then, it hit me...]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Auto-related]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=341</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[:excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited:<br />
now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'm getting a car for Christmas. Its a (this is a guess from my memory, might be off a bit) '95 Mercury Sable hatchback (5 door, if you didn't get that) It used to be my sister's, but she's upgrading, which means I get a free car.<br />
:excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[:excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited:<br />
now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'm getting a car for Christmas. Its a (this is a guess from my memory, might be off a bit) '95 Mercury Sable hatchback (5 door, if you didn't get that) It used to be my sister's, but she's upgrading, which means I get a free car.<br />
:excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited::excited:]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Another, more painful DB movie trailer]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=340</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo4t8PeqJ6E<br />
<br />
This time, the movie is confirmed to have the subtitle "Evolution".<br />
<br />
Good luck trying not to gouge out your eyes and rip off your scalp after you watch this... and this is coming from someone who didn't think it could get worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo4t8PeqJ6E<br />
<br />
This time, the movie is confirmed to have the subtitle "Evolution".<br />
<br />
Good luck trying not to gouge out your eyes and rip off your scalp after you watch this... and this is coming from someone who didn't think it could get worse.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[MGS + 360 = ?]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=339</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/mgst/?ref=kjp_jp<br />
<br />
:worried:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/mgst/?ref=kjp_jp<br />
<br />
:worried:]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=338</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Well, it came out today, and I need to change my sig now, but more importantly , it came out today. I'll post a link to a video I put on YouTube of the package, but once again, IT CAME OUT TODAY!!!! :excited:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Well, it came out today, and I need to change my sig now, but more importantly , it came out today. I'll post a link to a video I put on YouTube of the package, but once again, IT CAME OUT TODAY!!!! :excited:]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[This was a triumph.]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=337</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm making a note here:<br />
HUGE SUCCESS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I'm making a note here:<br />
HUGE SUCCESS.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Server Replacement]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=336</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Recently as you probably know we've been hit by a lot of page load errors where the server simply doesn't respond. Bihira has been aware of that fact and they have been trying to fix it.<br />
<br />
Turns out it's some serious hardware problems with the physical server, and Bihira is going to replace the server we're on (they call it Mahal). They haven't said anything about down time yet, but it's to be expected.<br />
<br />
So if one day in the next week or 2 you come back and Neo-G is inaccessible, that's why. Here's the thread at the Bihira forums, though, if you're curious<br />
<br />
http://www.bihira.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=964<br />
<br />
I'll try and keep you all updated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Recently as you probably know we've been hit by a lot of page load errors where the server simply doesn't respond. Bihira has been aware of that fact and they have been trying to fix it.<br />
<br />
Turns out it's some serious hardware problems with the physical server, and Bihira is going to replace the server we're on (they call it Mahal). They haven't said anything about down time yet, but it's to be expected.<br />
<br />
So if one day in the next week or 2 you come back and Neo-G is inaccessible, that's why. Here's the thread at the Bihira forums, though, if you're curious<br />
<br />
http://www.bihira.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=964<br />
<br />
I'll try and keep you all updated.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Soundtrack of your Life! A half-assed forum game!]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=334</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Okay, well, someone on my Facebook account did this, and since I was bored, I did too. SO I figured, hey, I could get a post out of this, and also give other people a way to get extra posts AND waste away boredom! so, here it is:<br />
1.Open your library (iTunes, Winamp, Media Player, iPod, etc)<br />
2. Put it on shuffle<br />
3. Press play<br />
4. For every question, type the song that's playing<br />
5. When you go to a new question, press the next button<br />
6. Don't lie<br />
<br />
Opening Credits: Sing It Again - Beck<br />
<br />
Waking Up: Mother - Danzig<br />
<br />
First Day At School: That's What You Get - Paramore<br />
<br />
Falling In Love: Clean - Incubus<br />
<br />
Fight Song: Thetawaves - System Of A Down<br />
<br />
Breaking Up: Ghetto - P.O.D.<br />
<br />
Prom: hero - songs to wear pants to<br />
<br />
Life's Okay: センスレス (Senseless) - ASIAN KUNG-FU GENERATION<br />
<br />
Mental Breakdown: All Nightmare Long - Metallica<br />
<br />
Driving: Take Me To Your Leader - Incubus<br />
<br />
Flashback: One Winged Angel - Square-Enix<br />
<br />
Getting Back Together: When Darkness Falls - Killswitch Engage<br />
<br />
Wedding: Uncle Johnny - The Killers<br />
<br />
Birth Of A Child: Blue Burns Orange - Hawthorne Heights<br />
<br />
Final Battle: Blood Ocean - Dethklok<br />
<br />
Death Scene: Endless Sacrifice - Dream Theater<br />
<br />
Funeral Song: City Of Blinding Lights - U2 (since when did I have U2 on my computer?!)<br />
<br />
End Credits: Savior - 30 Seconds To Mars]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Okay, well, someone on my Facebook account did this, and since I was bored, I did too. SO I figured, hey, I could get a post out of this, and also give other people a way to get extra posts AND waste away boredom! so, here it is:<br />
1.Open your library (iTunes, Winamp, Media Player, iPod, etc)<br />
2. Put it on shuffle<br />
3. Press play<br />
4. For every question, type the song that's playing<br />
5. When you go to a new question, press the next button<br />
6. Don't lie<br />
<br />
Opening Credits: Sing It Again - Beck<br />
<br />
Waking Up: Mother - Danzig<br />
<br />
First Day At School: That's What You Get - Paramore<br />
<br />
Falling In Love: Clean - Incubus<br />
<br />
Fight Song: Thetawaves - System Of A Down<br />
<br />
Breaking Up: Ghetto - P.O.D.<br />
<br />
Prom: hero - songs to wear pants to<br />
<br />
Life's Okay: センスレス (Senseless) - ASIAN KUNG-FU GENERATION<br />
<br />
Mental Breakdown: All Nightmare Long - Metallica<br />
<br />
Driving: Take Me To Your Leader - Incubus<br />
<br />
Flashback: One Winged Angel - Square-Enix<br />
<br />
Getting Back Together: When Darkness Falls - Killswitch Engage<br />
<br />
Wedding: Uncle Johnny - The Killers<br />
<br />
Birth Of A Child: Blue Burns Orange - Hawthorne Heights<br />
<br />
Final Battle: Blood Ocean - Dethklok<br />
<br />
Death Scene: Endless Sacrifice - Dream Theater<br />
<br />
Funeral Song: City Of Blinding Lights - U2 (since when did I have U2 on my computer?!)<br />
<br />
End Credits: Savior - 30 Seconds To Mars]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Corvette ZR1]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=333</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[well i think that this settles everything.  i was quite surprised at the dyno results still tho.<br />
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http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainer...=20248499/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[well i think that this settles everything.  i was quite surprised at the dyno results still tho.<br />
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http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainer...=20248499/]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Um..I'm back?]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=331</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Don't know how long for. But for the moment...Hey.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Don't know how long for. But for the moment...Hey.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Naruto : Broken Bonds (or sumthin like that)]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=330</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[i just finished the really short demo, but i think its gonna be pretty good.  The last naruto game on 360 was pretty decents, and this new one covers way more of the story.  Plus you can play as more people than just naruto now, and they dont force you to listen to the english dubs.  I might pick this one up around christmas or so]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[i just finished the really short demo, but i think its gonna be pretty good.  The last naruto game on 360 was pretty decents, and this new one covers way more of the story.  Plus you can play as more people than just naruto now, and they dont force you to listen to the english dubs.  I might pick this one up around christmas or so]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Sup Bitches]]></title>
			<link>http://forums.neo-genesis.org/showthread.php?tid=329</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[So what the fucks goin on around here eh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[So what the fucks goin on around here eh?]]></content:encoded>
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